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Sarah Cain
Patrick Steffen

 
 
6.09.2012
 

 

Patrick Steffen: You are currently preparing an exhibition at Honor Fraser Gallery, opening on the 8th of September 2012. Let’s start with the title, freedom is a prime number...

Sarah Cain: I gather the words around my work like materials, they will come to me out of daily life and then if I’m interested I’ll push it further. I lifted this sentence from the novel The Savage Detectives by Roberto Bolano. It captures the essence of great art and also speaks to how crucial it is to stay loyal to an undividable truth or freedom, to never compromise the work. There is another reference to him in a title of a painting, named after the title of his manifesto, abandon everything, again. This is how I approach each painting and possibly life in general. I felt those words immediately but then like most words I’m attracted to, after reading his manifesto I was struck by so many similar feelings…

 

Sarah Cain, carnival cruise, 2012.
Beads, thread, plastic bags, gouache, acrylic and silver leaf on canvas,
62 x 48 x 7 1/2 inches. Image courtesy of Honor Fraser Gallery, Photo by Josh White

 

PS: Talking about your practice as a painter, one has the tendency to put the emphasis on colors, as has been done, for instance, in the beautiful recent monograph Sarah Cain, published by LAND (Los Angeles Nomadic Division). I’d like to shift the emphasis onto words. I think words are essential in your work.

SC: I paint through ideas and feelings I’m incapable of speaking through. I relate strongly to poets and musicians and how they use words. I’m most at home when language becomes lyrical, abstracted, opened up, or when it takes on multiple meanings. I use words a bit like a navigating index. They reference where I was when I made the work, who I was sharing my life with, what I was reading, listening to or thinking about. Tara McDowell and Shamim M. Momin both talk a bit about language in their essays in the book you mentioned, but someone should probably write about it in more depth. The curator Sarah Bancroft recently paired me with George Herms for the show Two Schools of Cool at the Orange County Museum of Art, largely because of our relationship to and over language. When I think of George and our similarities it makes me realize that I’m a collagist with words. Sometimes I just hear words, the same way I see color or form. I write poems and those come to me in a way very similar to how a painting will.

 

Sarah Cain, hipsters in the hood, 2012.
Acrylic, gouache, string, paint roller and screws on canvas and wall.
87 x 48 x 4 1/2 inches. Image courtesy of Honor Fraser Gallery, Photo by Josh White

 

PS: The physicality of your paintings is often enhanced by many small personal objects — feathers, pebbles, etc. — that you constantly add, as if your paintings would become a sort of contemporary shrine. What do these objects mean to you?

SC: They mean all types of things to me, but some of them hold onto a feeling, it lingers around them and those are the objects I’m most attracted to. The shrine-like parts of my site works are personal. A lot the objects are gifts, or found and held onto for years. They speak about my own life but also the subcultures I’ve traveled through. I think of them a bit like diary entries. In the beginning it was protection related and a means to infuse the white cube with a poetic personal meaning. In my home I’m constantly making little groups of objects. Organizing memories, emotions, visuals and colors keeps me balanced and helps me gather or clear my thoughts.

 

Sarah Cain, Mister, 2012. Acrylic, canvas and sticks on canvas
89 x 74 1/4 x 7 inches. Image courtesy of Honor Fraser Gallery, Photo by Josh White

 

PS: How do you start including these objects into your installation?

SC: I take down the groupings in my home and bring them to the site. Last year there were probably about 50 objects tucked into the seams of my shows. To give you an idea of the range, one inclusion was an inspirational magazine clipping about Werner Herzog and an “experimental archaeologist” from his Cave of Forgotten Dreams. In another one I put this crazy canvas with a big braid of my hair, which was more of a wildcard. An art girl who cuts off all her hair and then shows it in a museum is very funny to me. Hair is powerful and should never be for sale. It is also weird and sort of creepy in a way that art needs to remember to be. One installation had a wedding ring in it, that someone gave me but didn’t give me. It was the classic set up for a proposal but then it wasn’t a proposal. I think I included that one for multiple reasons, but one was just hoping it would disappear. I like that you see these objects; I think the majority of the viewers miss most of those moments. In a way they are a bonus for being a sensitive viewer. My all time favorite find that I’m hoping to use in the next install is this big chunk of bark I found peeling off of a tree deep in the Angeles National Forest. It has a heart carved into it with initials and a date from the 1980s. The way the bark peeled off the tree made a split down the heart, like the tree knew when the couple broke up. It’s so beautiful and sad at the same time.

 

Sarah Cain, falling, 2012. Acrylic, silver leaf and feathers on canvas 104 x 72 inches
Image courtesy of Honor Fraser Gallery, Photo by Josh White

 

PS: You said, “It’s so beautiful and sad at the same time.” Are you attempting to portray the complexity of the impossibility of a relationship through your work? 

SC: There are moments of that in my work, even in the materials I work in, but the practice is about much more as well. I’ve made plenty of paintings about very successful relationships, or paintings that act as homage to people or places. If I have to make a blanket statement about my paintings, I think they are about the collision of various forms of space: physical, emotional and psychic. The work is a translation of life, and life takes time, like art, to fully seep in. I’m constantly realizing new meanings to pieces. I also don’t claim to have control over them. The work tells me how to make it. It’s a joke for me to set out trying to do a painting about this or that, as I need the piece to get lost before it is found. I also embrace failure as a concept, on many levels, but most basically in the way that one needs to take risks to make great work. If you don’t allow the potential for failure I don’t know how growth is possible.

 

Sarah Cain, We are here we are heavy we are color, 2012
Acrylic, ink and thread on canvas, 92 x 56 inches
Image courtesy of Honor Fraser Gallery, Photo by Josh White

 

PS: I’m interested in your idea of disappearing through art.

SC: Years ago I made a book in two parts. The first was called Writings too personal to be called poetry and the second was I disappear. I think that title points to how disappearance occurs in my practice. It’s a way of starting with a very personal subject and transcending it or disappearing the individual until the work exists in a universal state. Painting makes life much more manageable. I paint about a lot of big questions that I can’t answer. The work constantly comes back to the unavoidable disappearance of oneself. The irony is I have already made so many objects that by the time I’m no longer here there will be so many things I’ve made left behind. But then again a large part of my practice is ephemeral, so vanishing is innate to the way I work. I also use a lot of quasi-magical moves in my practice. The hope of the ring disappearing was a mental trick that was as much about belief as it was disappearance. As well as about asking what happens when something you believed in disappears. Where are you left after that? Should we trust disappearance more than existence?

 

Sarah Cain, Yoni Wolf, 2012.
Cardboard, acrylic, stick and string on canvas, 69 3/4 x 48 x 3 1/2 inches
Image courtesy of Honor Fraser Gallery, Photo by Josh White

 

PS: You told me that you listen to hip hop in your studio. How does it nourish and influence your daily practice?

SC: I listen to lots of things but I basically made my September show listening to Jay-Z & Kayne West’s Watch the Throne album. I’d rather be in Jay-Z & Beyonce’s collection than most museums. I’ve been pretty obsessed with Lil Wayne’s Tha Carter IV too. The neighborhood I live in can get super intense, so I think that’s part of why the music occupies my head space. But also it is just really good. I started listening to hip hop out of necessity, like most of my materials; when I had a studio in the SF Bay Area that was the only radio station that worked. I love the coded use of words, how the songs reference each other, the boldness, rhythms and the energy behind the songs. There’s this grandiose toughness paired with the confessional in a lot of hip hop that I love. I also relate to how explicitly and humorously it can deal with sex. I’m obviously by no means an expert; I’m a white girl from upstate New York. But music drastically helps extend my studio hours. In order to get into the zone I need to mute everyone around me and dissolve all my thoughts, and music speeds that process up.

 

PS: It’s an intense moment in your career. As you just said, in your practice, you never compromise the work. Let’s talk about the hypothetical conflict that you are experiencing dealing with the commercial world of art.

SC: I’ve been in the commercial art world and showing nonstop for a while now. I’ve found ways, sometimes by making paintings, to work through conflicted feelings. I also eliminate many potential issues by working with good people. I came into the commercial art world towards the end of the market boom. I’m glad I wasn’t a couple of years earlier, as it created a false sense and I’m thankful to still be working all the time. I guess asking about conflicts and the commercial art world makes me think mostly about class, money and value. As far as the market goes I don’t cater to it; I don’t believe artists should.

 

PS: Everybody’s toolbox, an open source collective focused on performing arts, suggests to realize self-interviews. What is the perfect question you would choose for yourself? And the answer?

SC: What are you excited about right now? Swimming in waterfalls, afternoons reading in bed, dark chocolate & iced tea, Hélàne Cixous, Beatrice Woods, imaginepeace.com, women. Friend’s art: Allison Miller, Rebecca Morris, Jeni Spota, Kim Fisher, Ry Rocklyn, Katie Grinnan and Colter Jacobsen. LAND (Los Angeles Nomadic Division), Night Gallery, Public Fiction. Friend’s music: HECUBA, Bouquet, Matteah Baim, Hush Hush, Yoni Wolf, Destroyer and Brendan Fowler. This Hélène Cixous quote: “I call a poet any writing being who sets out on this path, in quest of what I call the second innocence, the one that comes after knowing, the one that no longer knows, the one that knows how not to know.”

 

Patrick Steffen is Flash Art Los Angeles Editor.

Sarah Cain was born in 1979 in Albany, NY. She lives and works in Los Angeles. Her work has been included in exhibitions at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, San Francisco, CA; the Orange County Museum of Art, Newport Beach, CA; the Berkeley Art Museum, Berkeley, CA; the Aspen Art Museum, Aspen, CO; and the Imperial Belvedere Palace Museum, Vienna, Austria, among other national and international institutions. Cain’s work was also included in “A Tale of Two Cities: Busan-Seoul/Seoul-Busan,” Busan Biennale 2006, Busan, Korea; the 2008 California Biennial at the Orange County Museum of Art, Newport Beach, CA; and “Made in LA 2012,” the first Los Angeles Biennial organized by the Hammer Museum in collaboration with LAXART, Los Angeles, CA. In 2006, she received the SECA Art Award from the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art. Sarah Cain, the artist's first monograph, was recently published by LAND (Los Angeles Nomadic Division), July 2012.

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